Socrates brings up two different types of judgment. For lack of better names, I will refer to them as "larger-smaller" judgments and "beauty-ugly" judgments. We spent a large part of class discussing the difference between these two types of judgments and reached the tentative conclusion that judgments of piety would probably fall under the same type as "beauty-ugly" judgments.
Which type of judgment is a judgment of piety and why?
Briefly explain what each type of judgment is. Then say which category you think judgments of piety falls under. Make sure to support your answer by giving REASONS why you think piety is the type of judgment you say it is!
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The two types of judgments, "larger-smaller" and "beauty-ugly," differ in the fact that one kind can be proven, while the other is a matter of opinion.
"Larger-smaller" judgments refer to things that can be measured, such as which of two things is longer, larger or heavier. This argument can be easily solved by simply measuring the object, and the case will then be resolved.
"Beauty-ugly" judgments, on the other hand, refer to the opinion of a person on whether something is "beautiful" or "ugly" (it can also be applied to what one thinks is right/wrong, good/evil, etc.) The opinion can be argued for or against, but it is impossible to "prove" that something is ugly or beautiful, only to express one's opinion about it.
I believe that judgments of piety fall under the "beauty-ugly" judgment. One can argue how they believe an act is pious or impious, but if somebody else believes the opposite, they will not be able to convince them otherwise. An example of this is in the book, where Euthyphro is arguing how his father murdered a murderer, and how that is an act of impiety. He may believe that, but no matter what he tells him, his father will continue to believe that it was not an impious act.
Well There seems to be 2 types of judgments
Larger-smaller
THis can be physically mesured in many ways as in weight, scale, rulers and other things. This has a DEFINITE measurment that is universal to all people. For example, My shoe size is 11 But someone else might go like "oh wow i looks bigger then that" I take my shoe off and show them the size 11 part so they can see that what i said was right because shoe size is something physically measuerable
Beauty and ugly is similar but it just can not be proven. It has no definite mesurmentand it is all opinion based. I mean Alex V.s comment was very good. Megan fox is hot but i know there is at least one person in the world who does not think she is (hey some people just might not like her...not judging or anything). And that persons opinion might be a minority but all it takes is one person to THINK diffrent from everyone else. So there is no definte awenser for this and everyones defintion of beuty might be diffrent...like how some people think megan fox just isn't THERE defintion of beauty...(btw nice example alex =D )
Thought for additional comments: what is the relationship between "measure" and "definition"?
"Larger-Smaller" judgments are judgments based on certain standard, such as trying to tell if a picture is 4'6" long or 4'7" long by using a meter stick. "Beautiful-Ugly" judgments, on the other hand, are judgments based on, not a standard, but by opinion. The example that Alex brought up today, which states that Megan Fox is beautiful, is primarily based on his opinion. And, sure, maybe A LOT people, including me, might agree to that, but what appeals to a majority does not necessarily make it the truth, making it a fallicious argument.
The judgment of piety is a "beautiful-ugly" kind of judgment because there is no set standard for what is pious and impious. If Euthyphro's second definition is true, which I'm not saying it is, it could mean that every situation you apply it to, everything can be considered pious or impious.
In response to Mr. Wille's comment, I say a measurement is something that tools have been made to accompany. A measurement is something that is show in a scale or on a scale. A definition, however, has so many different levels. Take beauty for example. There's the shallow level where you judge on what you see on the outside. Then there's a deeper level, where you look into the heart of a person and find beauty there, which in turn makes you see their faces in a different way.
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-Sibely Anan
The "larger-smaller" judgment greatly differs from the "beautiful-ugly" type of judgment.
The "larger-smaller" form is one that is easy to come to a consensus upon. For example if two people argue over who runs faster, they can easily end their argument with a simple race. With this type, facts and true events are used to end the argument.
However with a "beautiful-ugly" judgment, a decision might be completely impossible to come to. This is simply because this type of judgment is based soley upon opinions and beliefs.
Thus the "beautiful-ugly" form of judgment is a judgment of piety. This is because there is no possible factual way of knowing what is pious or not.
Like Mr. Wille said, there is no machine you can hold up to something and tell you that it is pious.
If piety is what is pleasing to the gods, who is to say. This will always be based on personal beliefs and nothing factual. Therefore it is extremely similar to the "beautiful-ugly" judgment.
-Santiljan
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There're two types of judgments. The "larger-smaller" judgments and the "beauty-ugly" judgments.
Arguements over what's larger/smaller can be easily solved since there's a standard measurement. And the answer can be supported by facts. It always comes to a conclusion where one person is right and other one is wrong.
However, arguements over beauty/ugly usually doesn't really have any answer since individuals have different experiences and sees things differently. Their "scale" of beauty/ugly varies. Some might say one thing is beautiful but others might say it is ugly, but both sides cannot support their answer with evidence since beautiful/ugly are just opinions, you can't really measure them. Maybe there're things that most people like and think it's beautiful, but even if one person think is ugly, it is not beautiful to that person.
The judgment of piety will be the "beauty/ugly" type of judgment. Since most of the characteristics of judgment of piety is similar to the "beauty-ugly" judgment. Pious/impious are also not measureable. There's no standard for piety. Individuals might have different opinions about what's right and what's wrong too. And it's impossible to "prove" whether the thing you think is pious or not. Even though there might be some things that almost everyone think it is pious, but it only takes one disagreement to make it impious.
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